I don’t have time for personal conversation. When part of my comment is used. Then I have to respond to the person.
The topic is What exactly is Africa focused Andela and unfortunately I have to give justification as to what it mean in real Nigeria business of today.
Obviously you are part of those who run Radar and I don’t think you are paying developers N500k or N1m per month.
So when I gave an example of N250k and some on the conversation rains down some baseless reason why developers in Nigeria should earn more then i have let them realise why business outsourced to aka indians and some have admit on this conversation why that is the case.
So the question first raised need an answer and justification and think I have provide.
Anyways I hope the author of the post is clear from all the comments so far.
I understand that to some its like he’s drifting the topic, but maybe you could have warned him via DM first , seeing this makes it feel somehow.
It’s not Like all he’s saying is wrong sef,some people here are just too rigid to see things from another persons point of view. BTW switch.ng and hotels.ng internship are doing well to this purpose, OAU csc department churns out Alot of good developers too . But eventually when these developers get good enough , they would rather work for outsiders that would pay them well as expected
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Wholly support you on this point! And i’m glad we both agree its a supply and demand problem!
In the scenario we have both painted (creating a developer “factory” and leveraging govt and institutions) what can happen as the guys you’re employing get better and senior is one of two things, you’re either making more money and can pay them more, or if your business is still trying to figure stuff out, when you can’t afford them again you will employ others that you can afford! This only happens when there are others being trained!
A developer with 3 to 5 yrs experience take 250k, even 150k! Seriously! That developer isn’t exposed enough, and if he/she truly knows his stuff, he can make way more. Worse case, codementor.
You don’t know anything bruv. And not a dev.
It’s different arguing for taking a salary due to the impact one wants to make, but the way you argue like it’s a favor, and Nigerian devs are worth just the change you give them (300k), it’s sad.
Companies like yours that wants to hire devs would require all the certifications in the world, nothing like a good “self taught” developer in your dictionary. Unless he/she has 15yrs experience.
If someone seeks and find a good remote job, why do we complain that they want too much too fast. Even if the person is in a place like yours, the person would still be looking out for something else. Your job would be just to manage instead of not collecting anything. That’s what you and supporters obviously want.
How much value in terms of $$$ a developer brings to your business is on you the product owner. its your idea which has been implemented. If there are problems monetizing that aren’t as a result of poor implementation then that is on you .
If it isn’t important to the business bottom line then don’t build it. This would reduce tech cost, i think many products in Nigeria just put together a bunch of “nice to have functionalities” which would generally be expensive to pull off when they basically need a few of these functionalities. Typically poor product management
I was told of a legacy national application built by Indians, it is very massive that if you do a search, it might take more than a day to get your results until the Nigerians maintaining the app had to take over the app to rebuild from scratch. Indians or not, you will always get what you paid for, or even less.
Hmm, that’s not quite how it works…we just ask that the conversation be civilised and respectful. We rarely intervene except to quell manifestly disruptive behaviour. Now please let us not derail the thread any further, thanks!
Please permit me if these have been mentioned before.
I’m a senior C# developer working for a publicly listed company in the UK. The terms “Senior” and “C#” are very important distinctions as they help to determine my salary. I’ve seen term “developer” stated. Is it php,WordPress,Sap,Oracle,java,ruby,c# etc? They all attract different pay. I started an IT consulting company in Nigeria in 2015. I hired a very good WordPress dev who quoted me 150k a month and a very good C# developer for 300k a month. I paid them a little less after negotiating but that was what they quoted me at first. Raw talent if you ask me because they were self taught and it takes much more than writing code to become really good. My point here is the platforms and language and proficiency go a long way in determining your salary. basically the level of difficulty, demand for and supply of the language and proficiency are additional considerations. In the UK they have even become more agnostic so that you need two or more languages but I’m already going into too much detail so I’ll stop here.
The government needs to be the driver for change.global outsourcing and offshoring are important. More details to be found here https://web.stanford.edu/group/sjir/6.1.05_nagala.html This covers in some depth India’s model.
As for Andela for Africa, my opinion is Nigerian owned Andela for the World. I like Andela. We just need other locally based ones where the profits stay in the country. We stimulate the economy when we convert this to naira. I did some offshore work in Nigeria and changed all my pounds to naira and spent it at home .
It’s this kind of mentality that makes good Nigerian devs leave the country. This statement is wrong on so many levels. So wrong that the word “wrong” itself is an understatement.
Devs always, I repeat always have a job, the dilemma is to pick the one that is either close to your house or offers remote.
It’s a developers market right now, don’t make the mistake of thinking it’s the other way around.
Your statement makes it seem like devs have no choice, but at the moment they have all the choice in the world and this is why good developers can never work for folks like you. I hope your team doesn’t see this.
@pelij I don’t think you guys got the memo. Good devs are already leaving, the ones here already got remote full-time gigs earning millions a month. This is already happening, hence this post. It’s not so hard when you know what you are doing. I have never worked for a Nigerian company since 2015 and almost all my programmer friends don’t either; and this is just me, imagine the hundreds of good Nigerian developers that already figured this out. You should focus on becoming successful so that you will be able to high world class devs, else you will be stuck with your low profit margins and woo commerce site.
Few days ago, I made a comment on a post about how the term “developer” is being used without stratification according to skill set and years of experience. I hope we can be more specific.
This is the most sensible response I have read.
Problems is we Africans like to compare ourselves very unfairly with other developed markets, forgetting or not understanding that there was a process that led western economies to where they are.
We suddenly want a top-notch silicon-valley like stills in local developers. This isn’t and won’t happen up until structures and synergies that are conducive for skill nurturing are in place.
A developer in Silicon valley has completely different problems from one in Lagos or in Kampala. One has to scale their App to billions of users across the globe, while the other has at most 100,000 users to deal with. Therefore the level of skill, exposure and tools to be used are completely different. The one in Kampala can survive with only a single server or at most 5 while the other needs a server farm operational. Moreover one needs a technical team with varied deep specialized skills; data center operation, system administration, devops, high availability specialist, software developer, UI/UX expert well as your Kampala developer can operate with at most a team of 5.
So lets stop having unrealistic expectations and lets stop imagining that there’s no talent in Africa.
