Lol, really?? The objective of startups or companies are to achieve function while executing as lean and fast as possible…
I honestly don’t see any issue with the technology behind a solution so far it meets the need.
“Crapress sites” have been helping people(without required programming background) to easily give solutions to problems (which don’t necessarily need complications of programming). Heck…some startups(or pivots) started with google docs.
The major keys here are function, execution and time. Don’t dismiss a startup because it was built with wordpress, I bet if the guy did a 72hr programming hackathon and came out good… he would be validated.
If the guy doesn’t take Mark’s job (which it doesn’t seem like he needs btw). He has seemingly taken the next best step by pausing and focusing on function and execution…
You do actually have a valid point, but as someone see the code behind, it causes more headache than the provided solution. Security is a key issue with that platform, modularity too is another issue, Wordpress is a mixture patch and join codes, you depend so much on plugins not properly vetted. I would say ProcessWire is a way better platform than WordPress or even SilverStripe.
Am not hating on the site, just the underlying platform, if he pulled it off, then good one to him, except that he would have found it easier if using anything but WP, unless that’s theme installed and nothing else done.
It would be hard for someone to convince WP to me.
All of WordPress, and ‘half the web’ runs on PHP, tinker with that…stop the WP smooching.
If he understood that the hotel inventory business is about search and find, he’d have smooched less with CSS and gotten dirty with back-end plugs those 2 days.
Imagine fetching into an unofficial API for hotel.ng amongst other open ones, upon search. Mark or Eghosa wouldn’t have found that funny.
Cross searching seamlessly across differentiated results from a dozen sources and rendering results in an easy decision making end format.
And all he’d have needed to do those 2 days, CSS-wise would be a search box.
“Showboaters. They keep you from finding the real deals”
I beg to differ with most opinion about WORDPRESS (aka Crapress) - yeah shoot me!
In my opinion, the problem is not building on or using a wordpress theme but the developer’s ability to customize and conform it to function smart and light. Major sites like Hillsong, Beyonce, Bata, snoopdog, sony music, cnn, Ventures Africa, The Nerve Africa and more all trust and use wordpress - You sabi pass them?
EDIT: Facebook Newroom used wordpress too
As a matter of fact, Techcabal.com and Techpoint.ng all use to use commercial wordpress themes but one should salute - if you will - the customization work that has gone into it. I dare say that Radar is leveraging on the brand equity of Techcabal (wordpress site).
What Wordpress has that is PRICELESS is it’s support community, you can’t get stuck - be hardcore developer or novice.
Now lets analyse this guy’s case. It is not everyday that someone get @mark to respond on twitter let alone offering someone a job on his team. Guess what, wordpress did that. Mark in his genius brain may have added 1 to 1 before making such offer - that was in my opinion an early Christmas for the guy. Imagine if Mark was an investor?!
At the end of the day, what matters is NOT what platform or technology you are using but the perceived value your customers have of you and the RESULT (free WORDPRESS made LINDA IKEJI).
I prefer to spend $59 on a theme with basic stuff, scale it with plugins (I compile most of my core plugins), host on a solid VPS or Dedicated server and FOCUS on my BUSINESS MODEL cos that is what matters at the end of the day.
Finally, I think it’s egoistic to belittle developers that are using wordpress. It’s a sign of being threatened in your little space - no offense intended. Dear ‘USA’ Just let them be like ‘China’
I was trying to digest all what you were trying to dish-out until I read the ‘Quote’ above. No hard feelings, but ‘Wetin you smoke’???
You begged to differ but kept on SHOOTING YOURSELF.
You clearly don’t know the DIFFERENCE between a Web Designer and a Web Developer.
Bros,don’t go and host a blog or design an Information Web Page and Brag about how bad-ass a developer you are. IWA can sue you for that.
Again the ego show… Can a developer hook extra php functions to scale wordpress? I guess you missed that part in my wholistic ‘rant’ and decided to quote me outa context. Anywhere, no winner in this brov.
Php geeks will always have a different option from you - it’s all about perspective. Just don’t show unnecessary superiority complex over a technology/language you and I didn’t create but learnt halfway. Let’s leverage and create solutions in our space.
Guess what, I can confidently tell you that here in Nigeria a lot of php programmers - I know - can confidently build hotels.ng from scratch on wordpress but the trick is, what makes hotels.ng is not the bunch of codes rather it’s the brain and team behind the business model.
I dare say that it is easier for @mark’s fine face to win over investor than bunch of codes that doesn’t necessarily translate to Naira & kobo.
The Afrivac dude only proved himself to be a Web Designer, so that’s what we’re concerned about. Nobody belittled Developers. My team used Wordpress for two projects during the past week so i’m also a fan.
You were the one that quoted out of context.
Have you ever heard of Blogger; a free publishing platform owned by the giant company Google?
And Blogspot; a free domain service provider owned by the same giant: Google?
Well, what underrated the point you were trying to make was that you made examples out of websites that push out content, versus actual applications. No doubt Wordpress can be customized with plugins to do whatever the fuck you want to do with it but for any serious web application, doing that over time is a really huge technical debt you don’t want to take on.
Yes WordPress is Crapress and i stand by it, now I don’t attack people for using Wordpress, because if i were to run a blog, WordPress is the go to platform i’d go with but anything other than a blog: Am sorry I wouldn’t dare, CNN is heavily centered around Content and Posts which is where WordPress shines, but an Hotel application built on WordPress means building your logic around Wordpress, which is heavily centered around Post,Pages and Taxonomy which are all geared towards Post, Blog like Contents. Doing this same application in Laravel, Yii2, or even Go will save you time as you focus on the logic, I maintained a Wordpress site for 3 years and literally dug deep and mehn i was thinking to myself, why are we doing this ?
I Employ you to do this to research on the following:
Autoloader
PHP has evolved and has what we call an autoloaders, this eliminates the need of manually including files, let me take you to the days of Zend Framework 1, It was awesome except Zend 1 loaded so many components you never needed, and this mean taking up resources and not even using the loaded files, No serious application today ignores PSR-4 CakePHP 3 just supported, Laravel has it, Yii1 had an autloader but now Yii2 abides by it, I could go on,but in 2016 where does Wordpress stand in the issue of PSR-4. Nothing Wordpress doesn’t support it out of the box only Hacks, Wordpress loads tons of shit that you will never use. It drove my Java friend mad when he ran a WP instance on DigitalOcean. You use in Laravel when a class is instantiated it’s at that moment the autoloader fires and hits up composer or whatever SPL loader you register to find the file and uses it.
I don’t want to litter this post with lengthy points but to summarize things, yes the users don’t care, however as the developer you should care about the platform, trust me every modern cms outperforms Wordpress in terms of resources and footprint, and ease of development. You are not gonna just wing it by installing plugins and widgets and calling it a day, People just don’t hate WordPress for no reason.
I have never belittled anyone over using Crapress i only ask why they choose to suffer themselves.
Really PW is really clean and saner than WP, my site was built in WP i customized the shit out of it and it was just frustrating, Plugins never work the same way you’d expect them, it kept using too much resources, i moved to ImpressPages i even contributed themes and plugins and migrated contents from WordPress to ImpressPages but it wasn’t good enough till i jumped on Processwire, the backend makes much more sense than Wordpress, assisted a developer in writing a migration plugin to bring Wordpress.xml export into it and it was just easy as hell.
The Processwire API is just clean as fuck, though we (community) had to explain why it needed to have PSR-4 Support and composer but it’s getting there.
Managing a content in Processwire is easy, you create a field for a Page and specify the input type and it gets exposed to the template like this
$page->title
unlike WP functions, no one wants to code everyone wants to slap a themeforest template and call it a startup however i have seen some good devs who have made WordPress work for them i salute them, such bravery for masochism
Infact not just PHP there are other amazing CMF/CMS just use
I’m not arguing against Wordpress. My post applies to pretty much any framework that contains a lot more than is needed to accomplish a set task, and needs to be extended with additional code to build functionality.
