Iyin Aboyeji on Nigerian youth and Change

Lool so anyone against E is an agbero. Tola’s point is that you should not use Nigerian youths to make your company look like Jesus to Nigerians. Facts.

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Boss, but why did you retract your comments. Bad for PR? The image below will remind us that you retracted

Its called marketing :grinning: They pay people to learn… Its now the student/employee’s choice to decide what to do with the income…

But most Nigerian youths rarely have goals.
most Nigerian youths like to play the “blame game” :grinning:
most Nigerian youths have the “get a 8 - 5 job” mind set without starting a side business.
e.t.c

No matter how guaranteed a 9 - 5 job is… Nothing stops the employee from having a “secret” business depending on what legal agreement was signed with the employer. :grinning:

Unfortunately I won’t be shortlisted as I am not among best brains in Nigeria.

This is disingenuous. If someone tried to retract their comment, the edit history will show what it was that they tried to redact. The edit histories in both @iaboyeji’s comments show nothing, which likely means he experienced a posting glitch.

Update: The edit histories DO have content. My bad. Carry on.

From your replies that’s very true :grinning:

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LOL. I have tried savaging what’s left of the wrecking ship with screenshots. In case he does not recover from the glitch, I will upload it tommorrow to help him recover. For a second I thought you wanted create some sort of conspiracy in broad day light :grinning::grinning::grinning:

@tola your ‘agbero’ signage will stick with your handle on radar for some time to come. Even though I have no idea what you’re trying to deprecate with that. You’re a sound fella.

@iaboyeji as hard as his perspective may be. Andela may well fall victim if bottomline fails to align with Andela’s , only recited, altruistic goals. As you so truely lavished in the post.

Perhaps your hardest test as co-founder is yet to come.

However as concerning work done so far.

Andela, so far so good!!

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So a man pens his thoughts on Medium and he becomes an hypocrite? And Nigerian youths actually don’t benefit from getting an education?

If he’s guilty of anything, he’s guilty of being able to tell his story in a concise and convincing manner. As a founder, he’s get’s an A+ for being able to consistently communicate his vision. If you don’t buy it or don’t agree with it, that’s fine…it’s a free world. But…

…tomorrow someone will open a thread and say

Where Are Africa’s Developer’s?
Why do you think many startups in Africa don’t seem to get very big?

Everyone has an opinion and you can be contrarian about a startup’s motive, that’s ok. But the downside about peddling shallow falsehood is that you get ‘facts’.

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Unfortunately, this thread will be impossible to follow in a few hours as a result of the several redacted comments on @iaboyeji’s part. Not a fan of such. Plus the whole thing quickly degraded into “attacks” on both sides. Sigh.

As much as I appreciate and sometimes envy Andela and what they are doing, I have had my fair share of disagreement with the presentation. The truth/reality is often sugared and spiced to the point of ridiculousness, when in fact it could have stood on its own and still pass the strong message intended. Take for instance this bit from the post referenced above.

We believed because we saw Andela developers like Solomon Ayoola, spend 3 hours or more travelling across town in Lagos’ legendary traffic to arrive at our makeshift living room turned lecture hall in Ikoyi at 5am for an unpaid 2-week boot camp to learn the basics of building web applications.

We believed because we watched Jumoke, a shy Computer Science graduate who had never written a line of code before Andela grow into a confident female developer building technology solutions that will empower the world’s poorest with direct cash transfers.

Emphasis mine. I don’t know, but anyone who spends 3 hours to get to Ikoyi at 5am is probably coming from Ogbomosho or something. I’m not sure how Solomon handles his return trips back home, but I’ll be willing to read about that bit too.

Computer Science graduates who have never written a line of code? Not even in some homework? I understand a bulk of CS grads in Nigeria barely have a working knowledge of software development but that line was written for the purposes of creating the best possible contrast with Andela’s impact against the backdrop of our educational system, while evoking the emotions necessary.

@Tola came out guns blazing which isn’t exactly the wisest as it ended up discrediting whatever he had to say as contrarian, provocative, and with no meaningful premise. Hard to empathize with Iyin here as the situation wasn’t handled with tact, perhaps what he realized before he started deleting… which brings me to this - if you think you’ll regret what you are about to say in another 24 hours, best not at all.

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I get angry when I see people who doubt this. I studied computer science in UNN, my brother we have lecturers that haven’t written a line of code. I’ll be shocked if up to 40% of my classmates had written a line of code before we graduated. Assignments are dubbed, you should know that by now.

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I don’t doubt that this happens. Computer Science grads who have a genuine interest in the field as to apply to Andela for a two week bootcamp would have touched code at some point in school… else, you have to question where that interest suddenly came from, the narrative of which is has little to do with whatever course they studied in University.

//I get angry when I see people who doubt this. I studied computer science in UNN, my brother we have lecturers that haven’t written a line of code. I’ll be shocked if up to 40% of my classmates had written a line of code before we graduated. Assignments are dubbed, you should know that by now.//

If that’s the case then what’s the essence of studying computer science in school?

I’m seeking admission to study computer science in the University and sometimes I wonder if its really worth it.

I can stay at home , learn myself and be a badass programmer , but the question is : who will employ me without a CV?

Man, you have a very sound mind. Your position is as unbias as it can be.

On your last point though, I disagree. It is perfectly sound to regret or disagree with your opinion even minutes after. Consistency of opinion is usually deem smart thing but not necessarily.

Iyin on second thought, may realise his posts were unnecessary or regret it, hence delete. Having contradictions in ones thought is okay.

“A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do.”

-Emerson, Self Reliance.

Deletion is simply asserting you now disagree your earlier position or have no interest to further prove your point.

While I agree with you that the rhetoric on both sides got out of hand, at the end of the day a founder is allowed to tell his ‘story’.

I’m sure you’ve heard Steve Job’s boast about ‘a revolutionary product that changes everything’ about the iPhone. What’s the difference here?

What’s the key takeaway for Iyin? Watch what you say? Dial down the messianic element of your pitch? Don’t tell us how you’re going to make an impact on Nigerian youths because you’re just another blood sucking capitalist? Make sure you don’t go posting your thoughts on Medium? If you do post on Medium, make sure it doesn’t find its way to Radar?

What gives really?

How old are you sir?

Old enough to be a father…twice. Any more random questions?

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I still think Iyin can go all Messianic and it is perfectly fine and alright. Andela is his baby. It takes a measure of hubris to start a company in the first place. It is you thinking you are the chosen one to change things. That in itself is Messianic.

Musk, Larry, Jobs, Zuck(especially) all have that we are changing the world sermon. It is mostly to push their cause and on deeper level, mostly for profit. Just think about how Zuck is making internet.org seem like an altruistic project…but we all know what is running in Oga’s head.

I just think Iyin might just need to chill till when the Andela impact becomes very obvious and far reaching, then he can all go Messianic and no MF can come in his way at that point. The same way you cant argue zuck impact today. Now it is still premature and may be that’s why he needs to do all the explaining.

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Yeah, many more coming up

Lol, joker!