Is Technology in Nigeria already forming CABALs ? (Warning RANT included)

I have a fairly idea who this is but I will not mention your name. :wink:

Personally, I am far from successful so I am anything but a cabal :smile:. God willing I will not not change my “approachability” even when i get a lot of money or success.

If there is one thing I know about myself, I go out of my way to try and help people in this techosystem. I am a master of unsolicited feedback to the point of being annoying. I try hard to be approachable.

However, I do think I am forceful and can be too harsh at times. I try to be direct and give it how I’d like it to be given me. No time for too much subtleness except for those i perceive to be fragile. Like kids.

Like I told @siuduma, I am not a fan of Facebook messages especially for actionable items. In your case all I asked was for brevity. The least you can do for a person you are seeking a favour from and is not a personal friend or relative of yours is to communicate in the way the person requests.

Anyway,I am happy you did not say I did not respond to you cos i did thrice. It is ok if you were not content with my message.

Karma guides me. So I deal with people how I am very happy to be dealt with.

PS: It is ok to be critical using your identity especially if you are somewhat polite doing it.
PPS: Interesting choice of handle.

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You lost me here. As someone that rarely uses FB, and turned off notifications when I was being dragged into message threads I didn’t care about, this is a weird rant. Truly, why didn’t you email? That’s more professional. I’m very easy to find on the web but I’m very touchy about personal interactions. You add me to a mailing list/messenger group I didn’t consent to and I will unsubscribe/block you :person_tipping_hand:t5:. It’s not a levels thing, it’s a respect-my-privacy thing.

Your complaints also appear to be coming from an emotional, unfiltered place that’s kind of weakening your argument.

That said, like it’s been mentioned above, you’re going to find ‘gatekeepers’ in any industry. I don’t know what information is being hoarded because your post was vague and verbose (and still, I think, linked to those experiences you mentioned but I really hope not).

Call me naive, but if you think there isn’t a hierarchy of people in SF you can easily contact for help/favours, then…

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Well, you’re right. There is hierarchy in SV so no one is mobbed. The Thiel, PG wont be readily within reach likely. It’ll be hard to get through to Thiel for instance. Then again, who is of Peter Thiel class in Nigeria that should demand Peter Thiel kinda godlike attitude to the newbies.

I think I saw a pic of Oo drinking beer with Ben Horowitz one time on Facebook. That, my point. I don’t know difficult it was for him to have that meet though.

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I think you’ll make a better point with a face.

Here is my little encounter as to how bad and terrible @OoTheNigerian is. I think we got to know each other on twitter at around 2009/10. He was doing is Msc in Warwick at the time and running OnePage. I was a tech envangelist in Nigeria…what gave birth to what TechCabal is doing now, yes…the founders of TechCabal were Learner in the industry at the time :wink: (punching @seyitaylor @lordbanks) . Whilest trying to hold Barcamp (2nd Edition) and other tech event in Nigeria to make sure we meet physically as against rants on twitter…we started pushing for support from the ecosystem…not to pay to attend, but to just “show face”. Oo was away from the land and busy with School and Startup (his co-founder was Joel Gascoin, Founder of Buffer), and he reached out through email, and also placed call…yes…at late night around 11-12. We talk generally about the ecosystem and he gave been contacts of people who were as passionate as myself that we could “synergize” to work together faster…one of them was Seyi Taylor, yea…Oo introduced us.

The event was held successfully and when Oo got back we held several event, where we had meetings (What was like Cabal then), Sim Shagaya, Tayo Oviosu, Jobberman guys, and other guys who are pulling heavy weight now (not sure I can get an email through to some of them now, cabal pass cabal :wink: ). People we discussed their startup metrics like how much they were making, how they were getting paid by customers; Sim was running lovebase.com and was making 250k per month, yea…it was big deal at the time, (smaller than what a lot of us earn for 5hrs consultancy, now). I didn’t know the length Oo went to ensure Sarah Lacy attended our event #NigIntEnt but I could follow the way he tracked her down, and I ensured I led her through VI corners as we switched event venue 1 minute to start time (bad experience for someone from AMERICAN, who writes for techcrunch). After the event, my startup, Seyi’s startup, IrokoTV and other functional (now dead startups at the time) were featured on Techcrunch( First set of Nigerian startups to be so featured, yea…bragging right but we failed none the less).

To cut the long story short, my encounter with Oo, is above par, and that to a large extent is what I gauge others by, but they have failed me when I tested. My personally experience, Oo, one such strong head brother…that will tell to your face how you F*ck up, and how you could have done better, plus his personal experiences, no sugar coating.

By and large, we (including myself, guilty sometimes) all need to be humble in every encounter we have with fellow techies and everyone by the way. My experience with some young entrepreneur that just got some change is underwhelming to say the least, some of us were there at some point, we have learnt the hard way…table turns. The guy asking for feedback now could be the next to make seed investment in your next startup. Stay humble.

**Permit the typo…for now…

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Good points @micky [pls use ‘Enter’ to break into paragraphs next time].

The important thing you left out is that sometimes when people reach out, they turn out to be time wasters. For someone like me, (who’s not burdened by pseudo celebrity status), it’s amazing how many times people reach out and when I respond, they can’t follow up. So imagine the carnage startup ‘stars’ face?

Another thing that you have to understand is there are strong cultural factors at play. If you’ve ever attended a boarding school in Nigeria (like I have), and find out that JSS1 student has to call JSS 2 student ‘senior’. Then you understand how deep our ‘bigmanism’ runs. Contrast that to the west and you appreciate why a CEO of a Fortune 500 prefers that the janitor, refers to him by his first name.

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Out of interest, are you saying you’re also the one and only @JesusChrist?

Noted PapaOla, such people who cant follow up on a route they started do not deserve their success… typing with irregular keys on board makes us bad grammarians but we try

Oh Jesus! All this bile at me…lol I love this place, it was a first attempt at connecting with the guys here and it was brief and all i needed to know. I am glad you all have testimonials to the opposite. I may have been wrong in generalizing but i still feel strongly that I am not.

I don’t need to show my face, Oo says he has a clue and that is fine by me. I was hoping he would have a clue. The point is that this topic got me to actually register and contribute.
@PapaOlabode I just like the name JC its cool. I also feel like i may be the savior of the ecosystem, my Jesus complex. Hehehehe

Peace be unto this house! :smile:

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I am a usual here but I don’t have an account. I think I would stick with my name.

All i have said is truth, that doesn’t make me a traitor. If I were you I would be worried as to why the word “traitor” is what first comes to mind when someone else has a strong opinion based on their own first hand experience. You must be a strong christian with a very popular pastor.

Let me also guess, when people state obvious facts about your “pastor” you automatically hate them don’t you? Your fanaticism is showing bro,crying more than the bereaved huh? but not to worry, your sins are forgiven. :joy:

I love my name! Hehehehe

That’s you’re a ‘usual’ (as you say), makes sense and not surprising that I’m right.

In any case, sorry to dissapoint you…I don’t have a ‘pastor’ and definitely don’t go about defending any man of God. Just while we’re on the issue of religion, play that card as long as you like - I personally couldn’t care less.

May the Lord be with you.

The truth is the rich roll with the rich and the others roll with the others. It happens everywhere in Nigeria. Some people are not conscious when they do it but it happens.

About Ben Horowitz - he does that? Not surprised, that guy seems to enjoy talking with upstarts. I know a ton of top American Founders who won’t respond to your tweet, InMail or a Facebook message. From Dustin of Asana, to Ben of Olark to Alan of TrueCaller. The only time a friend of mine was able to speak with Micha of Fiverr was when he paid through Clarity (which is a great service by the way).

Its tought for them also. For some of tthem, they are worried how you got their information in the first place. That doesn’t mean, if you meet a successful entrepreneur at a physical location (good location) and you chat them up, they won’t grant you access or even an appointment at a later date.

But do not assume that any one owes you anything. They have a right to ignore your messages as long as they want. Trust me, when you get bombarded with over 500 messages per day, you would lose interest in replying to upstarts because you have your own life to live

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I am not religious. Far from it. But I think the use of Jesus Christ could be considered offensive or blasphemy to Christians. Again I’m not religious, I’m closer to atheism than any religious form, so I hope you get my point.

If you want to be anonymous, you could take any other form. But Jesus Christ isn’t cool.

StartupLJackson and all others. Get creative if you must be. Salut.

Hey! I think it is offensive that you think “Jesus Christ is not cool” bro! . :laughing:

Okay, I get it, I am sorry to all I have offended with the use of the name. I literally was in a hurry to type and that was the first name that popped in my head. I am not sure if I can change the name but I would try.

@Jimi You are right on the money with that, no one is entitled to anything. I may have had my entitlement game a little too strong that day. I just wasn’t ready for any form of elitism and it caught me a bit off guard.

Apologies Oo. I still think you are the man ! :wink:

Great that you’re repenting. Are you now ‘born again’?

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Why would I want to meet with any super man? The real work is done with your team and any advise I need is online.

I met with the jobberman guy recently and he was pretty cool. Gave me like 45 mins of his time. He was very accommodating considering his stature but still the work is done at home with your people.

I have also met with the guys that did the podcast and they are super great. Ezra and akamaozu, they gave me excellent support, which I did not imagine was available locally.

I think networking is good but I think networks appreciate quality content of character.

I will rather prefer to enjoy a good sleep than waste my time answering questions you should be googling. Stop feeling entitled.

Fail first, fail again and again before you start disturbing others. at least you should be impressed by my efforts.

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Try to find founders at a slightly higher growth level with you. Chances are that you will get better attention and advice from them. I want to point you to a post from @Jason_Igwe_Njoku.

[quote=“siuduma, post:1, topic:3124”]
side note One of the most disappointing experiences I had recently was when I sent a FB message to a guy in the ecosystem, someone whose zeal and work I admire, and after not replying for almost a week despite having read my message finally replies saying “… you could have sent this in an email though, won’t that have been better?”[/quote]

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Not to pass judgement on your larger narrative but I do feel strongly about the email list aspect.

Yes, it is wrong to add anyone to an email list he or she did not opt in to. It is patently wrong and a violation of privacy.

That we do not have strong laws on this in Nigeria does not change the fact that it is a violation of privacy. Google the CAN-SPAM act (which I honestly hope we implement in some form in Nigeria). It will always be wrong to add a person’s email to a list or share such details without his or her permission. [Note: This was in response to one of the comments in your later replies]

I do support the fact that we need to be more open for tech to flourish in Nigeria.

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This is interesting…

For a person like myself in my early 20s, i can say that i have had my fair share of the cabal (so to say). But my opinnion all changed when i pictured myself and dwelled on the premise that i was for example Tomi Davies or Sim Shaggy or Chika Nwobi.

People like this probably get pitched you by about 5 startup at an average startup conference or meetup and definitely get tons of email from startup founders on a monthly basis. Trust me, it’s interesting but it’s also at the same time tiring.
But being judgmental is one of the most easiest thing we can do as human, you know, it’s easy to spot out flaws from say a person, a website, an app, a startup… It’s just so damn easy(we cabal’s are guilty of that); but like @Jason_Igwe_Njoku said in a recent blog post “you might think you know but you don’t”, i would rephrase that and say you have no idea.

Personally, I would never talk to anybody i do not know on Whatsapp. Whatsapp is where i like have fun, i can’t picture myself talking business (on a mobile phone) on whatsapp. That’s just awkward Same also goes for Facebook. So @siuduma we are all humans, and i think you shouldn’t take it personally. We just use different things differently.

I would say communicating is easy, you just have to get it right, you need to know the right time and the right place. First time i meet @lordbanks was like 3 years ago, but the the event was neither the place nor right timing to converse on anything. Later i met him at a cocktail party last year and i had my chance.

Finally, there are no cabals., only the once you create in your mind. You don’t need nobody. All you need is yourself, and when the time is right you the cabals would come looking for you. This is partially true.** story for another day**

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We don’t have the luxury of success so we can’t afford to fail and fail again my brother. Life is difficult as it is. Maybe a brother only needed an encouragement from a ‘superior’ being - like 1 line of email will do (if they have the time). Sometimes a brother or sister only needs a hug. Radar is like a place for group hug. So hug brother or sister in need!

Fact is if you’re unknown you’re unknown. Success is a magnet, failure isn’t

Playing the devil’s advocate here :smile:

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