How can we get our local rich men to start paying attention to tech investments?

Like real estate in Lekki without tenants, right? Every corner in Lekki, there is some construction and you start to think if there is the only way to bury money in Nigeria. The existing flats are even vacant for years. Rich people look for signals. Zuck presence might seem a good thing, and I know a lot of people might think it is enough to signal rich men in Nigeria think about tech which I think might have been one of the reasons of Victor and Oo’s latest post. Maybe, maybe not.

What I think however, is a major exit. Like Skype’s that got everyone talking about Europe. We need our own success stories. FOMO and all that. Let’s just not fake it.

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Rich men invest in what they know about or have an interest in… I got my first big cash when I pitched to a rich man who wanted to build what I already built… Booom!!!

One easy way to do this : If you have a startup lets say a bus ticketing app… Go and meet the owner of God is Good motors… Show him how your app can help his business… Practicals please… Once he shows interest… Tell him how to make it better and that you will need money and tell him what is in it for him… Dont utter any technical jargon… No silicon valley vocabulary… Talk to them as if you are speaking with your dad… Thats it…

They might not give you that kinikan kinikan million dollar in funding… But they have a couple of million naira they are not using…

Some Nigerian musicians are backed by Drug dealers and Yahoo boys… #JustSaying

The major issue here is some of us are pitching how to make a rocket idea to someone who got rich through baba Ijebu… Kolewerk…

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Quickest way:
Befriend(NOT TO DATE O) their kids and make then your brand ambassador or give them a ceremonial famous role.

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Better investment than like 80% of Nigerian startups. As much as it hurts, those empty apartments are a great way to “store” money

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Edit that to 99%

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Yes o, homie. My friend and I joke about it is politician’s savings account. Loool.

100% agree with this. As much as I empathize with founders who have approached “rich men” and become disappointed, it helps to point out that the founders themselves haven’t grasped the general idea of how investments work.

Even in the US, rarely do you find wealthy people who didn’t make their fortune from technology investing in technology directly, unless of course there is a new found interest in a specific field - usually medical related and I dare say, for emotional reasons. So where do they put their money instead? Hedge funds/asset management firms like Tiger Global Management, T. Rowe Price, Fidelity Investments, Morgan Stanley, etc, who incidentally, also do not invest in early stage startups but would rather wait for business validation after investments from Silicon Valley VCs like Accel Partners and a16z.

Random. Fidelity investments had over 2 trillion USD under management last year. That’s a lot of other people’s money, if you ask me. It’s where the huge billion dollar cheques for Uber and Snapchat come from, just in case you were wondering. In contrast, Andreessen Horowitz who we would readily consider that wealthy Silicon Valley VC firm has raised just almost 6 billion USD in total.

Like @mark said, what we need are more VC firms like EchoVC in our ecosystem, but this will not happen overnight. Silicon Valley had over 30 years head start which means a lot of former founders in the ecosystem are now running VC firms able to raise money from other former founders and employees who made their money from technology. Give it time, and eventually, the same will happen in Nigeria - I mean, we are already getting there with Spark, EchoVC, Singularity, Pave, etc.

The more successes we record from investments from these firms, the higher the likelihood of bigger fund managers like ARM Ltd and the like (where current rich Nigerians put their money) doing follow-on investments in technology startups.

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Thank you. & I think we need to see more people fill up the funding chain. It is for now, very lopsided because everyone is trying to de-risk as much as possible which is fine, I mean it’s your hard-earned money and you don’t owe any nigger. You want the benefits of an early stage investor without being truly early.

We need the N3-5m guys that can come in to invest in people not necessarily products, and very early stage (No one is ever truly early if the person has a good background and smart and investor trust they can execute, and may be have prior history of doing great things.) There are folks if I have money to throw around, I can bet on without a line of code, or customer or product. Segun Famisa, Efe money, Binjo and co. I don’t think there is anyone at this stage, or may be I just don’t know. YC was mostly like this in the early days when they invested in the Aaron Swartz(RIP) and co. Or even the Reddit guys with $20,000.

Followed by the current guys claiming angel investors. Most of these guys are better at the pre-seed stage with the type of money they have/offer. More interesting ventures will get started this way when folks put basic N1-5m bets on smart to-be founders, then the seed guys come in next, and that way, we proceed together accordingly. But no, it’s Nigeria. Let’s just be “anyhow”, Zuckerberg will fix it for us. I read the Jason’s post that was applauded the other day on Ogavenue’s investment. It’s cool and somehow I have a thousand comments to it to how I disagree with the central thesis of the post. The one, that was especially applauded by everyone. But that’s not the point here.

Beyond bringing more money into ecosystem, global or local rich boys, let’s distribute across all the chains that smart founders need it, and various product categories. These days everyone have angel investor on their bio or claim it on Twitter, what does that even mean? What have you invested in? What’s your investment interest? Are you pre-seed or seed? Let’s get our shit together first, my point. Then maybe outside money can be invested in funds at all the various stages, from pre-seed to Series Z, and we can have founders to feed through the chain. Until then, boys will always be on mediocre shits, because most smart folks might not be truly able to afford working on interesting problems.

But till then, let’s keep starting new thread on this, and giving reviews on the 20th cinema app like anyone care but it’s fine. We will all be fine especially for those that eventually push through regardless.

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It all has to do with validation, and that fact is not local to the startup under consideration, but the surrounding market at large. You mentioned yourself that YC started with $20,000 for even more stake in companies compared to the 7% they take for $120k today. What do you think changed if not validation and overall economics.

You cannot blame a Nigerian angel investor for not wanting to take on risk. It is a thing of pride when the companies you invested in made you 50x and above in returns, but we both know that is not case yet, so listing companies they have invested in might turn out to be counter intuitive.

To be fair, I think the Jason/Mark investment in Ogavenue is a good signal for the ecosystem, regardless of whatever intent was behind Jason’s post or the announcement in general. The signal in this case being that founders are now investing in founders which would inspire a whole new generation of angel investors in Nigeria. Guess what happens at that point, the current investors you’re unhappy with will realize founders have more options beyond them, and old men who would want your startup and your soul for 15 million naira.

I don’t know if my first ever investment will be $5,000 or $50,000. But what I know is I am going to announce the hell out of it :grinning:. Not because I want to prove that I have arrived (although you can never help how people see it), but to intensify the signal that began with Jason and Mark.

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Haha. I applaud the Jason/Mark investment in Ogavenue. I think it’s a good thing generally. Especially for the fact that Mark pitched in, and dropped some cash. The Ogavenue went through moments that I really think were very unnecessary if we had folks at all the various funding stages. I am sure you read the part he set a poultry, just to get by. I just find it weird how everyone thought it was cool, and a stamp of legitness. Really? OK. Quite similar to the Airbnb story, except the Airbnb story is peculiar because the idea was quite silly and weird. You need to be unreasonable or wild to invest in them really.

What I generally mean is, a properly distributed funding scheme will de-risk everyone as much as possible. We can have that guy that supports 10-20 smart guys to feed the Jason’s Spark. And Jason feeds the EchoVC and co. Everyone should get a place mainly, and be known for it. What Andrew went through to set up a venue booking service was not necessary if we truly care about building a tech industry. Unless of course, we want starting up reserved for just rich kids and IJGBs.

At every junction of course, you can always expect drop offs, that is startups that won’t make it to the next round. Even in physics, there are usually losses at junctions.

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First of all, I think there is a huge misconception.
Are there really rich people in Nigeria?
Where exactly are these rich people?
Or you think politicians are rich, how come they barely survive after elections if they loose.

@Xulobi ARM and the likes are working with Employee Savings or Retirement savings funds. That is not gambling money. It has to be 90% treasury bills and 10% real estate.

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I was drawing a parallel with Fidelity Investments regarding when a startup has been proven to have real business merits. JP Morgan’s funds aren’t for gambling either, but they put money in Rocket Internet or was it Konga? Not sure now. Also, see this - https://www.arminvestmentcenter.com

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You think those Alaba boys wearing knickers and slippers are your mates?

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Lol. I can’t believe anyone is asking this, and I am not talking about old money here. There is blood money in Nigeria doing nothing other than buying all flavours of G-Wagon and fast cars in Lekki Phase 1, Ikoyi and Abuja like Mayweather. Some 3-5 boys can actually put together your next Series A without stress. It’s nothing.

Midway typing this, I just thought of someone. There is balling cash in Lagos o. Let’s not even talk about Abj. And I am talking about depressing type of cash. Your pre-seed and seed cash is going down in Club 57 and Quilox every friday night by a group of rich kids. You better believe that and economic recession is a still a mere word!!!

How much is Porsche Carrera again?

Boys are dropping that for their girlfriends even in this economy! Just think about that.

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Somewhere in this, lies a good joke. But like everyone else, I just don’t see it.

Sighs. Just last week, I was trying to raise some short term funds, but my bank wasn’t coming through because “recession is not a mere” word for some of us. Got introduced by my RM to a Guy under 35 for private financing. Dude says he doesn’t do small amounts as such, but he would do it because of our mutual RM, who had put in good word for me. He doesn’t know me from Adam, but we signed off in 3days.

Asked my RM what the guy meant by small, he said the guy doesn’t like to do less than N500m, either short or long term financing. He lives in Ikeja G.R.A not Lekki.

Do not be fooled, there are a ton of Rich people in Nigeria who do not do Ovation or Life but have the resources to finance the sum total of your imagination. Not knowing them doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

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Oshe baba mi. Boys with blood money every corner of Lagos. Then you step into Abuja, and you are depressed. 24yo boy will raise you your seed money that you are still hustling. It’s nothing. Haha

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I priced it in 2014. It was 27 Million Naira at the time. But they were willing to give a 3.5Million Naira discount and even allow me pay in 4 installments :joy:

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Why must it be the traditional investors? I understand that they have the money but I think the more they see successes in that field, they will take interest. Maybe a few successful exits via IPOs. But also, even abroad, a traditional investor like Warren Buffett once famously declared that he doesn’t invest in tech because he doesn’t understand it, and that is fine.

I feel that this is an opportunity for a new elite to arise - and we have them gradually emerging. People like Jason, Sim, Iyin, Mark, etc funding other founders - founders funding founders.

Every generation of billionaires took advantage of their time and chance - e.g, Elumelu, Ovia, Imoukhede and co took advantage of the time and chance of the liberalization of the banking industry to hammer - they were rightly placed in terms of age and experience.

For us, this is our time and chance - we understand these things better than they do. It will be nice to have them invest but it must not be with them.

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I totally agree with @Ogunleye_Damilare on the issue of private financing.

It just happens that startups is a little risky to finance. However, I know one smart guy “listening in” to all these conversation with the goal to build a MVP out of the idea of connecting wealthy (either old or bloody money) people’s money with proven startup businesses.

Can we called that Money As A Service (MaaS) :grinning: